He is meeting with the Tea Party several times a week planning his run to be Michigans next governor and appears to have been deeply invovled with them for the last year or more.
Is it what MI needs a Tea Party Governor?|||No, the Tea Party protestors have no ultimate leader.|||Never heard of Pete Hoeskstra until today.
Considering Michigan is bankrupt, a Tea Party- fiscally Responsible candidate is exactly what MI needs.|||I think it's past your bedtime.
Friday, December 2, 2011
In the last uk election, would you have voted for labour if gordon brown had been labour party leader?
Im staunch Tory so I wouldn't vote for any Labour scum, however in a way Labourites did vote for Brown as they did know full well that it was only a matter of time before Blair was going to stand aside and **** hole Brown was going to take over, so the voters did really know what they were getting. I just dont think they knew as did anyone, the hell that he would cause for the decent folk of Britain and his sheer incompetence!!|||No !I would not have voted for the Labour Party if Gordon Brown had been leader.
He has proved to be an ineffective, weak easily led by Peter Mandelson.
He has also proved that he lacks ability in his much heralded strong point finance;Where he had the opportunity to place safeguards into the Banking system which would have prevented millions of pensioners savings hitting 'rock bottom'.
It has been the poor pensioner and the thrifty who have paid the full price for Gordon Brown's political ineptitude and low ability rating.
Gordon Brown is a low calibre politician who has been propelled to the top by selfish Labour time servers mostly from Scotland who demand top political jobs in return for their questionable loyalty.|||No and my household will not be voting Labour so long as GB remains their leader. It's their problem, they've been in govrernment for nearly 100 years and in all that time have done nothing for the Common People. Their main claim to fame is fiddling expenses and demanding vast sums of money to help change the laws of UK on behalf of rich business clients.
Anne Widecombe MP (Ultra Right Wing Tory, ban fishing etc) (leaving the Commons at this election) told a TV news crew that "the people think we do not listen to them." Right lady, you do NOT listen to us. The entire House of Commons is just a self congratulatory waffle shop with no plans ever to deal with any of the issues which concern the Common People.
Gordon Brown has dipped into the pension funds of the Common People and stolen our money. His aim is to make as many people as possible poor in the hope that this will encourage them to carry on voting Labour. Not even when I'm dead Gordon, will you get my vote.
Gordon Brine also has plans to take the family properties of millions of our elder citizens in exchange for Third World Class healthcare in their last years. The elders of our families will have to hand over all their property, houses, gold ornaments and other family treasures to the Brine Government Department of Dirty Tricks. This money will then be used to support the Champagne Socialist lifestyle of Labour Party MPs none of whom have ever done a days work in their lives and who on the whole come from rich lawyer families who have no idea what it's like to work seven days week for a miserable pittance.
rant done. . .feeeeel sooo much better
GORDIN BRINE MUST GO.
P.S. What's that Evil Satanic worshipper Tiny Blur doing? Remember him? Took us into an illegal war in both Iraq (now a bombed out total lawless Hell hole - the Gateway to Hell) and then into another illagal war in Afghanistan while posing at the Bush "Poodle of the Year Show."
Tiny Blur and his kind should read history before ever getting involved in such as Afghanistan.
The link below tells the story of a Scottish soldier fighting in Afghanistan in the 19th C - but did Blurite learn? No - he went ahead just the same, in the hope of gaining control of what really amounts to the SILK ROUTE - the East-West trade route link.
http://www.internet-promotions.co.uk/arc鈥?/a>|||NO WAY MAN, he only got the job because he was chancellor, the old pals act its BS, and anyway Brown is scottish, (thats why he was good with fiscal policy, Aye) it's absurd.
That said, even if he is not the man for the job, he has to better than any right wing neo Nazi Fascist Tory Bastards, they are so out of touch, now they are even picking on gays,
smell the coffee bro's its been legal for decades, pathetic, I pray to god they dont get into power,
PS I'm not gay just saying thats all.
And if I had known what Tony Blair was going to do (iraq war) I would not have voted for him either, that said i think he as been one of the most successful labour party leaders ever (and Prime minister), he is one smart cookie, and I still like him but I dont like war.
I will still vote labour even if brown is a **** just to keep them blue bastards out,
POWER TO THE PEOPLE (WOLFIE SMITH) HAHA|||I would have been very undecided. It was on the back of some good achievements like recognising civil partnerships legally and also the economy was going quite well too. It is the Lisbon stuff, the increasing political correctness, the disturbing immigration etc that has really turned me off. I didn't see them for what they really are back then.
I would have been torn, but now would I vote Labour? Not a chance.|||I'd be voting for my local MP and on the basis that they represent the party that reflects the society, values and priorities I'd like to see a government have. I therefore vote for the party not their current leader.
We seem to be moving closer to personality based presidential style elections in this country which while good for the media is not good for democracy.
However I live in a safe Tory seat with the Lib dems as the second party which would essentially make a vote for Labour a wasted vote. To make voting more meaningful I'd like to see us change the "first past the post system" and introduce a form of "proportional representation." Hopefully this will come out of what is likely to be a hung parliament and will lead to real cross party debate on how we solve the key issues facing us of: a) Government/Taxpayer debt and what, when and how cuts to public spending are made b) how consumer debt is reduced c) changing the basis of our economy to re-balance our trade so we generate income rather than sending all our earnings overseas to buy goods - often on credit cards - manufactured in countries where labour is cheap and d) the pensions time bomb.|||No. Gordon Brown should go and live in the Asian subcontinent or Africa instead of bringing millions of Asians and Africans to the UK.
In secret, he brought 3,000,000 immigrants to the UK between 1999 and 2008, nobody knew about it, we gradually found about it when London looked like an African or Asian capital complete with burkas
We have almost lost our country thanks to Brown Gordon|||Look up the definition of the word ''Incompetence'' there is a picture of Gordon Brown next to it!
Also if you look up the word definition for ''Lying Scum'' it says 'New Labour, ie...Lord Mandleson.|||I didn't vote for Lab-Con or Lib-dems, I voted for the only party who had any sense, UKIP the only party that would bring Britain out of the EU.|||Well, at the last election everybody knew Gordon Brown would be Prime Minister as Tony Blair said he would quit, so bearing that in mind, it just shows how short everyone's memories are.|||never voted for labour and I somehow dont think that Gordon Brown will convince me to do otherwise.
To use an old ad slogan "labour isn't working".|||No - if i was a Liebour supporter , i would have preferred someone slightly less dishonest but i can't think of anyone!|||Nope - I would never vote Labour. They are incompetent.|||Nope, when he got announced as the next PM i cringed, i knew what he'd be like from day one.|||No.|||Not a snowball's chance in hell.|||No. not while there is a hole in his ars-|||I'm an advocate of Tory Democracy so I would never vote for Labour, but I am voting for the Liberal Democrats this time round (I'm not putting my X next to James Gray).
He has proved to be an ineffective, weak easily led by Peter Mandelson.
He has also proved that he lacks ability in his much heralded strong point finance;Where he had the opportunity to place safeguards into the Banking system which would have prevented millions of pensioners savings hitting 'rock bottom'.
It has been the poor pensioner and the thrifty who have paid the full price for Gordon Brown's political ineptitude and low ability rating.
Gordon Brown is a low calibre politician who has been propelled to the top by selfish Labour time servers mostly from Scotland who demand top political jobs in return for their questionable loyalty.|||No and my household will not be voting Labour so long as GB remains their leader. It's their problem, they've been in govrernment for nearly 100 years and in all that time have done nothing for the Common People. Their main claim to fame is fiddling expenses and demanding vast sums of money to help change the laws of UK on behalf of rich business clients.
Anne Widecombe MP (Ultra Right Wing Tory, ban fishing etc) (leaving the Commons at this election) told a TV news crew that "the people think we do not listen to them." Right lady, you do NOT listen to us. The entire House of Commons is just a self congratulatory waffle shop with no plans ever to deal with any of the issues which concern the Common People.
Gordon Brown has dipped into the pension funds of the Common People and stolen our money. His aim is to make as many people as possible poor in the hope that this will encourage them to carry on voting Labour. Not even when I'm dead Gordon, will you get my vote.
Gordon Brine also has plans to take the family properties of millions of our elder citizens in exchange for Third World Class healthcare in their last years. The elders of our families will have to hand over all their property, houses, gold ornaments and other family treasures to the Brine Government Department of Dirty Tricks. This money will then be used to support the Champagne Socialist lifestyle of Labour Party MPs none of whom have ever done a days work in their lives and who on the whole come from rich lawyer families who have no idea what it's like to work seven days week for a miserable pittance.
rant done. . .feeeeel sooo much better
GORDIN BRINE MUST GO.
P.S. What's that Evil Satanic worshipper Tiny Blur doing? Remember him? Took us into an illegal war in both Iraq (now a bombed out total lawless Hell hole - the Gateway to Hell) and then into another illagal war in Afghanistan while posing at the Bush "Poodle of the Year Show."
Tiny Blur and his kind should read history before ever getting involved in such as Afghanistan.
The link below tells the story of a Scottish soldier fighting in Afghanistan in the 19th C - but did Blurite learn? No - he went ahead just the same, in the hope of gaining control of what really amounts to the SILK ROUTE - the East-West trade route link.
http://www.internet-promotions.co.uk/arc鈥?/a>|||NO WAY MAN, he only got the job because he was chancellor, the old pals act its BS, and anyway Brown is scottish, (thats why he was good with fiscal policy, Aye) it's absurd.
That said, even if he is not the man for the job, he has to better than any right wing neo Nazi Fascist Tory Bastards, they are so out of touch, now they are even picking on gays,
smell the coffee bro's its been legal for decades, pathetic, I pray to god they dont get into power,
PS I'm not gay just saying thats all.
And if I had known what Tony Blair was going to do (iraq war) I would not have voted for him either, that said i think he as been one of the most successful labour party leaders ever (and Prime minister), he is one smart cookie, and I still like him but I dont like war.
I will still vote labour even if brown is a **** just to keep them blue bastards out,
POWER TO THE PEOPLE (WOLFIE SMITH) HAHA|||I would have been very undecided. It was on the back of some good achievements like recognising civil partnerships legally and also the economy was going quite well too. It is the Lisbon stuff, the increasing political correctness, the disturbing immigration etc that has really turned me off. I didn't see them for what they really are back then.
I would have been torn, but now would I vote Labour? Not a chance.|||I'd be voting for my local MP and on the basis that they represent the party that reflects the society, values and priorities I'd like to see a government have. I therefore vote for the party not their current leader.
We seem to be moving closer to personality based presidential style elections in this country which while good for the media is not good for democracy.
However I live in a safe Tory seat with the Lib dems as the second party which would essentially make a vote for Labour a wasted vote. To make voting more meaningful I'd like to see us change the "first past the post system" and introduce a form of "proportional representation." Hopefully this will come out of what is likely to be a hung parliament and will lead to real cross party debate on how we solve the key issues facing us of: a) Government/Taxpayer debt and what, when and how cuts to public spending are made b) how consumer debt is reduced c) changing the basis of our economy to re-balance our trade so we generate income rather than sending all our earnings overseas to buy goods - often on credit cards - manufactured in countries where labour is cheap and d) the pensions time bomb.|||No. Gordon Brown should go and live in the Asian subcontinent or Africa instead of bringing millions of Asians and Africans to the UK.
In secret, he brought 3,000,000 immigrants to the UK between 1999 and 2008, nobody knew about it, we gradually found about it when London looked like an African or Asian capital complete with burkas
We have almost lost our country thanks to Brown Gordon|||Look up the definition of the word ''Incompetence'' there is a picture of Gordon Brown next to it!
Also if you look up the word definition for ''Lying Scum'' it says 'New Labour, ie...Lord Mandleson.|||I didn't vote for Lab-Con or Lib-dems, I voted for the only party who had any sense, UKIP the only party that would bring Britain out of the EU.|||Well, at the last election everybody knew Gordon Brown would be Prime Minister as Tony Blair said he would quit, so bearing that in mind, it just shows how short everyone's memories are.|||never voted for labour and I somehow dont think that Gordon Brown will convince me to do otherwise.
To use an old ad slogan "labour isn't working".|||No - if i was a Liebour supporter , i would have preferred someone slightly less dishonest but i can't think of anyone!|||Nope - I would never vote Labour. They are incompetent.|||Nope, when he got announced as the next PM i cringed, i knew what he'd be like from day one.|||No.|||Not a snowball's chance in hell.|||No. not while there is a hole in his ars-|||I'm an advocate of Tory Democracy so I would never vote for Labour, but I am voting for the Liberal Democrats this time round (I'm not putting my X next to James Gray).
In Switzerland, Turkish Labour Party leader whose name Perincek is judged by Swiss Court. What do you think ?
Dogu Perincek is a leader of Turkish Labour Party. He said that, 'So-called Armenian Genocide is a lie' . What about freedom of thought ?
Is this Europa ? Why do people wear 'Horse-Glasses' ?
Please do not say 'Wrong Category'. I asked also Yahoo 'Law-Ethics'. I am curiosly your answer.
Regards|||duffy guess you are wearing the horse glasses, have you read what you wrote?
Armenian genocide is a lie...but you people can't find any false and just make it up if there's not one...
European policies are two faced.......so I am not surprised about this.....
Turkish policies are 1 million times better then Europe could ever be if they worked on it all their lifes...|||Europa is talking about that there is no independence of ideas in turkiye [because of 301. law which says a person who insults turkiye or turks, are punished], while they have such kind of laws, even also they get involved about the so-called genocide which is nothing to do with them. So, where is the indepedence of ideas in Europa?
Perincek has gone to Switzerland with many documents which show that there is no genocide and turks have been killed by armenians, too. if someone says there is armenian genocide, s/he has to say there is turkish genocide, too. Even turkish archieves are open and turks doesnt take these claims seriously, many people believe in the genocide so that in their country armenians talk about a so-called genocide so much.
Why those countries accept this nonsense thing by their courts or laws and let historians talk about it?
This is the ignorance of big, modern and improved Europa. Or this is a politic effort against turkiye...
TURKISH LAW CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN MODELLED FROM SWITZERLAND'S, SO WHAT ABOUT THAT ALSO?|||I prefer that saying stupid malicious lies should not be illegal. I believe that when ideas are freely exchanged, the truth will come out.
Unfortunately, Turkiye is even worse than Switzerland for this. Hrant Dink, the Turkish Armenian, was convicted and then murdered for telling the truth.
At least Switzerland's law has a good motive; they don't want another genocide like the Jewish holocaust.
Turkiye's law is just trying to cover up the crimes of its ancestors.
This is foolish. You are not your ancestor, and their crimes are not your fault. So why do you want to compound the crime by denying it?
Who is really wearing blinders (horse glasses)?
Is this Europa ? Why do people wear 'Horse-Glasses' ?
Please do not say 'Wrong Category'. I asked also Yahoo 'Law-Ethics'. I am curiosly your answer.
Regards|||duffy guess you are wearing the horse glasses, have you read what you wrote?
Armenian genocide is a lie...but you people can't find any false and just make it up if there's not one...
European policies are two faced.......so I am not surprised about this.....
Turkish policies are 1 million times better then Europe could ever be if they worked on it all their lifes...|||Europa is talking about that there is no independence of ideas in turkiye [because of 301. law which says a person who insults turkiye or turks, are punished], while they have such kind of laws, even also they get involved about the so-called genocide which is nothing to do with them. So, where is the indepedence of ideas in Europa?
Perincek has gone to Switzerland with many documents which show that there is no genocide and turks have been killed by armenians, too. if someone says there is armenian genocide, s/he has to say there is turkish genocide, too. Even turkish archieves are open and turks doesnt take these claims seriously, many people believe in the genocide so that in their country armenians talk about a so-called genocide so much.
Why those countries accept this nonsense thing by their courts or laws and let historians talk about it?
This is the ignorance of big, modern and improved Europa. Or this is a politic effort against turkiye...
TURKISH LAW CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN MODELLED FROM SWITZERLAND'S, SO WHAT ABOUT THAT ALSO?|||I prefer that saying stupid malicious lies should not be illegal. I believe that when ideas are freely exchanged, the truth will come out.
Unfortunately, Turkiye is even worse than Switzerland for this. Hrant Dink, the Turkish Armenian, was convicted and then murdered for telling the truth.
At least Switzerland's law has a good motive; they don't want another genocide like the Jewish holocaust.
Turkiye's law is just trying to cover up the crimes of its ancestors.
This is foolish. You are not your ancestor, and their crimes are not your fault. So why do you want to compound the crime by denying it?
Who is really wearing blinders (horse glasses)?
Who actually is Obama, New Party leader, Democrat(which he is not) or a Socialist.?
Your call America pin a tail on em.|||1. New Party Idealist, since he was the head of that movement,
2. Communist sympathizer
3. Socialist
4. Islamic radical sympathizer.
What he is not is an honorable truth telling American.|||An ultra liberal socialist|||He is the next Democrat to be elected President of the United States of America.|||He is a democrat! You can pick and choose and puts words in his mouth, all you want it does not change the fact that he is a democrat. I would not argue that McCain and George bush are not republicans, so why would you argue that Obama is not a democrat.
Just plain idiotic.|||He's A chosen PUPPET for Nancy P.%26amp; her little CLICK|||http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008鈥?/a>|||Another inane question. You should have included a relevant answer, like "next president of the United States". Again another moron who obviously doesn't have any idea what socialism is. The information is readily available. Why haven't you found it yet? |||The political, media, cultural and social establishments are determined to elect the pro-status quo, anti-change candidate, Barack Obama, as President.
The power and money arrayed behind Obama seem unbeatable.
At the same time, it is inconceivable that the American people would elect a socialist President.
Obama has some explaining to do.
Slowly but surely "rock star" Barack Obama's lipstick
is coming off with every bad decision, and by now even
his vice president candidate Senator Joe Biden had to
admit:
Mrs. Clinton would've been the better pig pick.|||I do not think obama is a socialist be is a sway er.|||Chief, that's a good question. I've been asking the same thing myself, trying to figure out what Obama's actual ideology is, who this guy is. I have a hunch that if people really knew what his true ideology is, he wouldn't have gotten this far. He has a habit of associating with radicals. His economic ideology, at least, when you examine is at minimum quasi-Marxist. He went to a church for 2 yrs that preaches Black liberation theology, which has it's origins in Marxism. I believe that we're moving in a dangerous direction as a country. We now have the government bailing out Wall Street and owning these companies. . .that's a dangerous move toward socialism in itself.
As a democrat, I don't feel that I have any political home anymore because the party has been taken over by leftists. Obama is not a traditional democrat in any sense of the word, and McCain's economic policies are much closer to JFKs than Obama's are. Obama's economic ideology is based in the idea of class struggle, which is decidedly Marxist. Those of you who deny it need to take a look a Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. The parallels are uncanny.
I came across an interesting quote last night. It's actually from Norman Thomas who was the leading Socialist in the US prior to his death. He once said, "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under the name of Liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without knowing how it happened."
I think that quote speaks volumes about what's happening right now in our country. We're treading dangerous water. |||I guess we could call him a democrat with a socialist agenda. With all that is going on with the economic crisis, he will not have any wealth to redistribute. It seems alot of things are coming together. There was a meeting of muslims that his campaign attended. It turned out to be radical muslims and of course he claims his campaign did not know that when they accepted the invite. The Law suit regarding his citizenship is still unsettled. Rezko is singing like a bird to get his sentence reduced. Ayers is getting more and more coverage, so much so that very few can now believe Obamas version of thisacquaintancee. And then there is ACORN busting wide open and it is well known they are registering dems for obama, dead or alive. Then on mon. Corsi returns from Kenya with his emails between Odinga and Obama. Supposedly Obama told him how to run his campaign and what to do if he loses the election. We all know the blood bath that ensued when Odinga lost. Who is Obama? He is well known by the people he has surrounded himself with.
2. Communist sympathizer
3. Socialist
4. Islamic radical sympathizer.
What he is not is an honorable truth telling American.|||An ultra liberal socialist|||He is the next Democrat to be elected President of the United States of America.|||He is a democrat! You can pick and choose and puts words in his mouth, all you want it does not change the fact that he is a democrat. I would not argue that McCain and George bush are not republicans, so why would you argue that Obama is not a democrat.
Just plain idiotic.|||He's A chosen PUPPET for Nancy P.%26amp; her little CLICK|||http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008鈥?/a>|||Another inane question. You should have included a relevant answer, like "next president of the United States". Again another moron who obviously doesn't have any idea what socialism is. The information is readily available. Why haven't you found it yet? |||The political, media, cultural and social establishments are determined to elect the pro-status quo, anti-change candidate, Barack Obama, as President.
The power and money arrayed behind Obama seem unbeatable.
At the same time, it is inconceivable that the American people would elect a socialist President.
Obama has some explaining to do.
Slowly but surely "rock star" Barack Obama's lipstick
is coming off with every bad decision, and by now even
his vice president candidate Senator Joe Biden had to
admit:
Mrs. Clinton would've been the better pig pick.|||I do not think obama is a socialist be is a sway er.|||Chief, that's a good question. I've been asking the same thing myself, trying to figure out what Obama's actual ideology is, who this guy is. I have a hunch that if people really knew what his true ideology is, he wouldn't have gotten this far. He has a habit of associating with radicals. His economic ideology, at least, when you examine is at minimum quasi-Marxist. He went to a church for 2 yrs that preaches Black liberation theology, which has it's origins in Marxism. I believe that we're moving in a dangerous direction as a country. We now have the government bailing out Wall Street and owning these companies. . .that's a dangerous move toward socialism in itself.
As a democrat, I don't feel that I have any political home anymore because the party has been taken over by leftists. Obama is not a traditional democrat in any sense of the word, and McCain's economic policies are much closer to JFKs than Obama's are. Obama's economic ideology is based in the idea of class struggle, which is decidedly Marxist. Those of you who deny it need to take a look a Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. The parallels are uncanny.
I came across an interesting quote last night. It's actually from Norman Thomas who was the leading Socialist in the US prior to his death. He once said, "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under the name of Liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without knowing how it happened."
I think that quote speaks volumes about what's happening right now in our country. We're treading dangerous water. |||I guess we could call him a democrat with a socialist agenda. With all that is going on with the economic crisis, he will not have any wealth to redistribute. It seems alot of things are coming together. There was a meeting of muslims that his campaign attended. It turned out to be radical muslims and of course he claims his campaign did not know that when they accepted the invite. The Law suit regarding his citizenship is still unsettled. Rezko is singing like a bird to get his sentence reduced. Ayers is getting more and more coverage, so much so that very few can now believe Obamas version of thisacquaintancee. And then there is ACORN busting wide open and it is well known they are registering dems for obama, dead or alive. Then on mon. Corsi returns from Kenya with his emails between Odinga and Obama. Supposedly Obama told him how to run his campaign and what to do if he loses the election. We all know the blood bath that ensued when Odinga lost. Who is Obama? He is well known by the people he has surrounded himself with.
Would you prefer Keeley Hazell as the Tory Party leader over David Cameron?
Only if she gets her t*ts out.|||Well, I as a US citizen feel the better candidate would be in favor of legalizing your privately owned firearms. The unarmed people have become prey. Glad I don't live in your country.
Who was the best Liberal/SDP/Liberal Democrat party leader since WWII? Who was the worst?
Please give reasons.|||This is a tough one to answer - since it's difficult to judge a leader who wasn't in power. By that, as the only one who has ever tasted being in government Nick Clegg is simultaneously best and worst.
In terms of picking a "best", Nick Clegg is the only one who has ever succeeded in making the party relevant. I might have picked Charles Kennedy (I liked him, %26amp; sacking somebody because he liked a drink was ridiculous), but he was opposed to the LibDems joining in a coalition with the tories - which begs the question as to what he thought the purpose of the party was, if not to have a say in the way this country is governed?
At the same time, Nick Clegg should have realised that a hung parliament was the most likely way that the party would ever have a say - there's a certain pledge that should never have been made, since the only way it could only possibly have been kept would be if they won a majority.
Paddy Ashdown was good, and has managed to this day to retain respect from across the political spectrum.
David Steel came pretty close to winning an election, and probably would but for Thatcher's election-winning war in the Falklands.
Overall, I'm going to pick Paddy Ashdown as best, but Nick Clegg %26amp; David Steel have a case.
Worst? David Owen.
His marked antipathy towards the left of the party caused damaging divisions, leaving the party difficult to take seriously %26amp; open to satire (wonderfully exploited by Spitting Image amongst others).
Favoured a hard line over the miners' strike.
More recently he spoke out against the move to AV, succeeding in convincing a lot of people that a NO vote in the referendum would somehow pave the way for Proportional Representation. Any signs of that happening?
Undoubtedly a talented politician, but a snake in the grass.|||Let's educate a few of these Americans:
Liberal leaders:
Sir Archibald Sinclair (1935-45)
Clement Davies (1945-56)
Jo Grimond (1956-67 and 1976)
Jeremy Thorpe (1967-76)
David Steel (1976-88)
SDP Leaders:
Roy Jenkins (1981-83)
David Owen (1983-87 and 1988-90)
Robert Maclennan (1987-88)
SLD/Liberal Democrat Leaders:
Paddy Ashdown (1988-99)
Charles Kennedy (1999-2006)
Sir Menzies Campbell (2006-2007)
Vince Cable (2007)
Nick Clegg (2007-date)
Jeremy Thorpe was leader during the Liberal breakthrough in February 1974, when they took second place in a large number of constituencies, and was therefore the main challenger in many seats.
The two Davids set up the Alliance, which achieved a solid local authority base, as well as being taken seriously at last by the media. Media attention did the Alliance no favours, especially the Spitting Image puppets, which destroyed David Steel's credibility.
Paddy Ashdown picked up the broken pieces of the Alliance, and brought the merged party back to the same level it was in the mid 1980s.
Nick Clegg led the party into Government, but the compromises over firm pledges he made during the General Election in 2010 has affected the party's core vote - notably students - so we have to see if the party recovers in time for 2015.
I think my favourite was Jo Grimond, who set the philosophical foundation of the party in the early 1960s and enabled a whole generation to campaign effectively on sound principles (even though too many failed to understand them). There was a good feeling in the Liberal Party concerning localism, individuality and a great sense of justice both at home and abroad.
The worst? Probably Sir Menzies Campbell, although it was hardly his fault. He is the same age as both Paddy Ashdown and outgoing Tory leader Michael Howard, who made a big deal of how he was too old to lead a party and was handing the leadership over to a younger man. Now Dracula still had his black hair and looked about 10 years younger than Menzies Campbell, so the media were merciless, portraying Ming as a doddery old fool. A pity, since he was extremely effective as Foreign Affairs spokesman during the Iraq war.|||The best democrat was John F. Kennedy
The worst was either Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton|||Clinton, because he had Republican Congress majority and Newt Gingrich tell him how to fix our debt problems .|||Paddy Ashdown, great bloke.
In terms of picking a "best", Nick Clegg is the only one who has ever succeeded in making the party relevant. I might have picked Charles Kennedy (I liked him, %26amp; sacking somebody because he liked a drink was ridiculous), but he was opposed to the LibDems joining in a coalition with the tories - which begs the question as to what he thought the purpose of the party was, if not to have a say in the way this country is governed?
At the same time, Nick Clegg should have realised that a hung parliament was the most likely way that the party would ever have a say - there's a certain pledge that should never have been made, since the only way it could only possibly have been kept would be if they won a majority.
Paddy Ashdown was good, and has managed to this day to retain respect from across the political spectrum.
David Steel came pretty close to winning an election, and probably would but for Thatcher's election-winning war in the Falklands.
Overall, I'm going to pick Paddy Ashdown as best, but Nick Clegg %26amp; David Steel have a case.
Worst? David Owen.
His marked antipathy towards the left of the party caused damaging divisions, leaving the party difficult to take seriously %26amp; open to satire (wonderfully exploited by Spitting Image amongst others).
Favoured a hard line over the miners' strike.
More recently he spoke out against the move to AV, succeeding in convincing a lot of people that a NO vote in the referendum would somehow pave the way for Proportional Representation. Any signs of that happening?
Undoubtedly a talented politician, but a snake in the grass.|||Let's educate a few of these Americans:
Liberal leaders:
Sir Archibald Sinclair (1935-45)
Clement Davies (1945-56)
Jo Grimond (1956-67 and 1976)
Jeremy Thorpe (1967-76)
David Steel (1976-88)
SDP Leaders:
Roy Jenkins (1981-83)
David Owen (1983-87 and 1988-90)
Robert Maclennan (1987-88)
SLD/Liberal Democrat Leaders:
Paddy Ashdown (1988-99)
Charles Kennedy (1999-2006)
Sir Menzies Campbell (2006-2007)
Vince Cable (2007)
Nick Clegg (2007-date)
Jeremy Thorpe was leader during the Liberal breakthrough in February 1974, when they took second place in a large number of constituencies, and was therefore the main challenger in many seats.
The two Davids set up the Alliance, which achieved a solid local authority base, as well as being taken seriously at last by the media. Media attention did the Alliance no favours, especially the Spitting Image puppets, which destroyed David Steel's credibility.
Paddy Ashdown picked up the broken pieces of the Alliance, and brought the merged party back to the same level it was in the mid 1980s.
Nick Clegg led the party into Government, but the compromises over firm pledges he made during the General Election in 2010 has affected the party's core vote - notably students - so we have to see if the party recovers in time for 2015.
I think my favourite was Jo Grimond, who set the philosophical foundation of the party in the early 1960s and enabled a whole generation to campaign effectively on sound principles (even though too many failed to understand them). There was a good feeling in the Liberal Party concerning localism, individuality and a great sense of justice both at home and abroad.
The worst? Probably Sir Menzies Campbell, although it was hardly his fault. He is the same age as both Paddy Ashdown and outgoing Tory leader Michael Howard, who made a big deal of how he was too old to lead a party and was handing the leadership over to a younger man. Now Dracula still had his black hair and looked about 10 years younger than Menzies Campbell, so the media were merciless, portraying Ming as a doddery old fool. A pity, since he was extremely effective as Foreign Affairs spokesman during the Iraq war.|||The best democrat was John F. Kennedy
The worst was either Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton|||Clinton, because he had Republican Congress majority and Newt Gingrich tell him how to fix our debt problems .|||Paddy Ashdown, great bloke.
Why has the death threats of Eric Fuller(democrat) against aTEA PARTY leader going unreported in the lib media?
could it be its the lies of the lib media pushed him to do it?...who are the real responsible parties?http://www.theblaze.com/stories/shooting鈥?/a>|||Because they are only interested in blaming the TEA Party. That wouldn't help them do so.|||Funny, I heard about it on NPR. I guess you are referring to Huffington or something?
"The Pima County Sheriff's Office said J. Eric Fuller, 63, was involuntarily committed to an undisclosed medical facility, NBC News reported."
Pima County sheriff's deputies escort James Eric Fuller after he allegedly made threats at a town hall meeting. (ABC) TUCSON, Ariz. (CBS/AP)
Jan 17, 2011 ... Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- Arizona shooting victim James Eric Fuller sent his apologies Monday for telling a Tea Party leader, "you are dead."|||Wow this is wierd. If I say blue is yellow then nobody believes me. If I say that liberals are not reporting that blue is yellow all the conservatives then believe me. No doubt were I to say that Glenn Beck was not reporting that blue is yellow then all the libs would believe me.
Why don't people just check up on things themselves?? Surely it's better than choosing which liar you are going to slavishly follow. Especially when, deep down, you know they are liars.|||Really? I've heard a lot about this story.
Death threats are nothing new anyway. Every single political leader on both sides has received them. It's not news.|||Because the liberal media is very bias. They will only report things that go in their favor or they will put a twist on a story to make it go in their favor.|||Since I saw this story on Keith Olberman last night, I guess he's now part of the right wing media|||He actually meant something positive when he said that. Nice way of taking him out of context.|||Guess it's cause Wolf Blitzer would rather talk to Sheriff Dumpazzfor half an hour.|||I have seen it and I do not watch fox news,so wrong
"The Pima County Sheriff's Office said J. Eric Fuller, 63, was involuntarily committed to an undisclosed medical facility, NBC News reported."
Pima County sheriff's deputies escort James Eric Fuller after he allegedly made threats at a town hall meeting. (ABC) TUCSON, Ariz. (CBS/AP)
Jan 17, 2011 ... Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- Arizona shooting victim James Eric Fuller sent his apologies Monday for telling a Tea Party leader, "you are dead."|||Wow this is wierd. If I say blue is yellow then nobody believes me. If I say that liberals are not reporting that blue is yellow all the conservatives then believe me. No doubt were I to say that Glenn Beck was not reporting that blue is yellow then all the libs would believe me.
Why don't people just check up on things themselves?? Surely it's better than choosing which liar you are going to slavishly follow. Especially when, deep down, you know they are liars.|||Really? I've heard a lot about this story.
Death threats are nothing new anyway. Every single political leader on both sides has received them. It's not news.|||Because the liberal media is very bias. They will only report things that go in their favor or they will put a twist on a story to make it go in their favor.|||Since I saw this story on Keith Olberman last night, I guess he's now part of the right wing media|||He actually meant something positive when he said that. Nice way of taking him out of context.|||Guess it's cause Wolf Blitzer would rather talk to Sheriff Dumpazzfor half an hour.|||I have seen it and I do not watch fox news,so wrong
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